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The Nazi's used to scream "communist! com...

2009-11-30T13:27:36.688Z

The Nazi's used to scream "communist! communist!" at all their opponents, to demonise them. Most were nothing of the kind, and everyone knew it. There is such a thing as crying "wolf" too often.

Then, after the war, the real communists traded on this. After all, everyone reasoned, "If *I* am supposedly a 'communist' because I object to Nazism, then probably these 'communists' are just ordinary people like me."

Of course this was not true, but it didn't half help Stalin's men to set up East Germany.

In case the left hasn't noticed, it isn't working any more. People are all voting BNP precisely because the people shrieking hate at them are the people similarly shrieking at everyone.

Despotism seems inevitable, one way or another.

Sorry I set that off! I'm just concerned the ...

2009-11-29T22:25:46.094Z

Sorry I set that off!

I'm just concerned the AGW shit is resisted at Copenhagen. If NG does it - good & never mind the other BNP stuff, as it's surely the most pressing issue. Reminds me of "known unknowns", y'know, pick one of four possibly true scenarios. Oh, by the way, get it wrong and we're fucked, I mean really fucked, like there is no way back and and and
Wouldn't it be nice to have some indisputably true understanding of the world's climate? It seems there's nothing definite or reliable right now, a "house of sand" moment. Fuckety fuck

@Boiling Frog: False or irrelevant. You thinking t...

2009-11-29T18:50:23.513Z

@Boiling Frog: False or irrelevant. You thinking that the bedrock of Tory policy is free trade just means that your thinking is wrong.

The BNP are opportunistic, sure. They use language tailored to their audience (if we're credulously going to go by what BNP members *say* rather than what they propose to *do*- how would you explain the BNP member of Question Time proclaiming that his party has a platform "exactly the same" as the one that Enoch Powell helped the Tories to get elected with?)

The BNP describe "free enterprise" as paramount in their manifesto- does that make them Liberals? No, they're just good words to use, they're aren't backed up by actual solid policies.

I am sitting down to a roast. I refer you to the B...

2009-11-29T18:40:48.077Z

I am sitting down to a roast. I refer you to the Boiling Frog's comments.

I see, another Tory for whom history began in 1979...

2009-11-29T18:37:15.911Z

I see, another Tory for whom history began in 1979? You asked for Tories who advocated nationalisation, I gave you the very root of British nationalisation.

And it was a nationalisation for the same reasons that the BNP wish to nationalise- an attempt to protect British industry. The BNP propose tariffs for the same reasons that the Tories supported tariffs- and so on.

You know what is deliciously ironic in light of all this? The earliest Labour people supported free trade as a means of bringing foods prices and rent down, allied with the Liberals against the Tories.

But anyway, what happened at 18:50 last night? Did New Labour announce that they've abandoned their part-privatisation of the post office or what?

It does seem rather odd if the BNP's policies ...

2009-11-29T18:34:03.759Z

It does seem rather odd if the BNP's policies are identical to the Old Tories as MikeSC said that:

It was Labour that coined the phrase ‘British jobs for British workers’ a phrase the BNP gleefully nicked and display every opportunity they get

The BNP has its own clause 4

The BNP advocate making Britain a republic – yeah very ‘Old Tory’ that one

The BNP are making the biggest inroads in Labour strongholds

The BNP receives more votes from ex Labour supporters than the Tories and Lib Dems put together

The BNP often campaigns on the slogan ‘the Labour Party your parents voted for’

The BNP advocates economic protectionism – funny, I thought the bedrock of Tory policy was...er...free trade

John Tyndall who founded the BNP wanted to start a party called the National Labour party.
https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/19/thefarright.otherparties

haha and there we have the flaw in your arguement....

2009-11-29T18:23:53.804Z

haha and there we have the flaw in your arguement. You go back to the 1850s in order to make a point. where as i can go back to 18:50 last night to make mine.

Thanks for stopping by.

They know the game's up, TB, thus they lash ou...

2009-11-29T17:59:12.209Z

They know the game's up, TB, thus they lash out like they do. It's just not dawned on them that they make themselves look worse by their actions

Um... the first major nationalisation of industry ...

2009-11-29T17:46:43.335Z

Um... the first major nationalisation of industry in British political history? Does the name "Benjamin Disraeli" ring a bell at all?

If you'll look at the BNP's manifesto, it's all about protection from foreigners. They don't want to nationalise in order to facilitate the abolition of private property, they just don't like foreigners owning British industry.

Hell, the policy that would displease Adam Smith most of all is our protectionism closed-border immigration policies. He would see immigrants kept from going where the market would take them today in the same way as he did the smugglers he idolised. The Tories may have abandoned much of "Toryism" in favour of economic Liberalism/Social Democracy- but elements of it still survive in the Tory party- and it's out in full force in the BNP.

What absoulte twoddle. Remove head from arse and t...

2009-11-29T16:57:13.857Z

What absoulte twoddle. Remove head from arse and then comment.

When have the tories ever advocated nationalisation of the industries to take just one example?

"Griffin, although shunned by most on the rac...

2009-11-29T16:51:01.717Z

"Griffin, although shunned by most on the racist issue (but check it out - all other BNP policies are identical to NuLab's) "

Nonsense. The BNPs policies are identical to the Old Tories- the protectionism and the racism all. Economic nationalism is all it is.

Hell, Griffin is probably the least undesirable in the Enoch Powell/Alan Clark/Nick Griffin unholy trinity of recent racists of political Britain.

Of course the whole 'denier' terminology i...

2009-11-29T16:47:04.874Z

Of course the whole 'denier' terminology is a smear by association... the other thing that is systematically termed to be 'denied' is the Holocaust. So, ever so softly, if you disagree with their theory about global warming that has scant proof at best, most of it scientifically untenable, you're linguistically grouped together with fanatics who deny the terrible, gruesome mass murder millions of Jews and other fellow victims of the Holocaust, even in the face of material evidence.

What a bunch. They just couldn't sink lower.

Please drop the "denier" tag. There can...

2009-11-29T16:07:14.528Z

Please drop the "denier" tag. There can be few people now not aware the AGW nonsense is fabricated. Be proud to dismiss it: you're not the denier, those clinging to the lies are the deniers now.
The charade of Copenhagen could bind us all in economic hardships because of this dangerous nonsense. Griffin, although shunned by most on the racist issue (but check it out - all other BNP policies are identical to NuLab's) actually speaks sense on AGW & could be a sole sane voice, hopefully not just "crying into the wilderness".

One of the few voices against the AGW con that wil...

2009-11-29T15:22:43.506Z

One of the few voices against the AGW con that will actually be there at Copenhagen to swim against the current of stupidity, happens to be the leader of the BNP. Not, you know, one of the many hundreds of thousands if not millions of ordinary people who aren't neo-Nazis.

Very smart, EU. Very smart.

'Wafer thin majority'. Unfortunately her s...

2009-11-29T15:06:02.909Z

'Wafer thin majority'. Unfortunately her seat, Bristol East, is Tory target number 160 (if my memory serves me right). While no-one would celebrate quite as much as me, I daren't get my hopes up.

It would be a 1983 Wedgewood Benn moment if she lost her seat, and would certainly result in a hangover on Friday/Saturday morning (depending on when they bother to count).

My cheque to Bristol Conservative Association is in the post.

If the most recent Times poll is to be believed mo...

2009-11-29T14:07:34.918Z

If the most recent Times poll is to be believed most people in this country are AWG deniers.

It's up by far the most insulting comparison a...

2009-11-29T13:13:04.980Z

It's up by far the most insulting comparison and one only made to smear by association, and from a member of parliament it is a new low.

Are you saying you don't have the same views a...

2009-11-29T13:10:18.652Z

Are you saying you don't have the same views as Griffin re: climate change then?

As far as I can see that's all that Kerry implied. Even if it is stopping a bit low to use that comparison. Hardly the worst thing that someones said about you is it TB?

Isn't that libel? You could probably get her d...

2009-11-29T13:00:52.807Z

Isn't that libel? You could probably get her done for that. DO IT.